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How do I start. New server rules about oly. NO more boxes in oly. Really?  The server rules should never change. Rules should be rules and rules shouldnt change. So now that the rules changed next month after everyone cries again because the op chars feeded all there clan mates and they have all the heros what then? Reload who is my friend is very much the strongest one in the game to beat. He could feed his clan without problems. So we want all heros in one clan? Yes yes it wont happen but anyone who plays oly know its harder to get points then to lose them. 2 fights against someone like reload theres 20 points. Maybe feeding is wrong but if thats the case join oly and stop the feeding. It would be easy points for you. I work hard to get all my toons noble and after a 1 1/2 years playing here to make 38 noble chars you make this change.

I have only lost my HK hero 3 times in the time i was here all to others feeding my class not once didnt i cry about it. It is part of L2 private servers. This was such a fast roll out of a big new rule maybe you should think about it 1st. Cry babies will cry they always do!  Maybe if they farmed as much as they cried they would be better at the game. Dont come to oly with +3 gear and want to win. Yes the older players are very op. NO SHIT we have been here longer. You come here for 1 month and want to be hero. GL with that on any server.

I dont point the finger at anyone. You know who you are.  I hope you are happy with what will happen with this server.

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Reload <3 u needed a op player and ur the 1st one that always comes to mind. We can use Roran instead of u if u like  

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Re: New update

Dear L2Vanir Staff, 

The time for me 'crying' has come. I will discuss and explain few matters which are beyond my understanding. To make it easier I wil try to descrive them chronically, so let's start:

1) Subclass and nobless raid bosses

I understand that this is small community based server and we want to get as many regular and playing people, however, PK is the part of the game, as well as PvP. I have never came acroos the situation that character without the clan was Pked by other people. That is the huge point, which Im trying to make, because if player chooses good clan, with skills members and WARS, he/she should take into consideration the fact that war does not mean tickling or making sandwich. This server pretends to be retail like, then let me explain what it means. It means that if Im in clan that has war with another, I will try to prevent their members from improvement, cause that is how it works. If clan dont bother to help his clan member with the RB then there is a way to make it, leave clan for couple of days, make quest and come back. I really ahve enough people crying because they were killed at Barakiel or subclass bosses. This is inevitable part of the game so if player decided to join clan with wars, please do not be surprised that enemy comes and kill preventing from improvement. Currently at server there are 2 main clans which can manage to have CONFIRMED wars. These are Astale and Fallen Angels. So if one of these clans want its member to do the quest, they should gather and help this member to do it, no matter if it is one or another side. However, when clan is not responding and enemy appear it is the problem of the player and his clan that they did nothing. Apparenntly, it works completely different on this server, should I follow new fashion and just spam GM all the time about it? Well, it seems so. I think I need to start to cry on shout and hero voice that this is so unfair that tanks are kicking my ass all the time., maybe GM will do something about it? I have a really simple solution for players who suffer from killing at raid spots. Leave it or take it, in other words if you cant manage to do the raid alone or with clan, you simply do not deserve to have it. 

2) Castles

I just want to remind the situationa about clan TrapRock and the moment when they were so powerful to take all the castles and all the heroes. One of the GMs in my humble opinion behaved worse than 3 years old child preventing this situation to occur. If one clan can manage to take all the castles and take all the heroes, that is good for them and NONE GM should interrupt with this. Why? Answer is simple but for some really hard to understand, that in next two weeks in case of castles one clan CANNOT defend all the castles, so they would lose lose plus all the rest of the server would have the reason to unite against the enemy.  Such situation  would end up in the fact that people would start to play together, improve themselves and server would have really good times. About heroes, if they can take all the heroes, good for them, same as above, the rest of the server would do the same and finally join olympiad and do something about it, one clan can feed another cant? please

And finally the biggest issue!
 
3) Olympiad

a) Class based fights

Another situation which drived me crazy, was the case of WuTang. He made 5 characters noble the same class as his main character to do class based olympiad. All of the sudden GM forbidden to do class based oly like this, because "new player couldnt take hero from Wu". Really? I totally agree with Nasty, we worked freaking hard to be able to get heroes and we played a lot, if new player wants to take hero he needs to work for it. Nothing comes easy. I do ~120 fights every month, no matter if I win or lose, I learn, learn how to play my character, how to fight with different enemies, I LEARN. Making 120 fights each month includes huge amount of time and resources. Suddenly, GM decides to forbid doing class based with the characters you owe. Well, good job, really good job! I just want to mention one thing, if a player wanted to take hero from WuTang he could also join this class based oly Wu was running, or fight in irrelevant fights and having huge opportunity to get hero from Wu.

b) Feeding

Feeding in this server is present and undoubtebly irritating, however if I know that I will get hero cause I have enough points, and my friend from clan needs points to get hero. Im not asupposed to help him because its feeding? Interesting... Right now Oly runs ONLY because of the boxes, 2 players with good characters reg boxes to START oly. Dear GM how many times I write on shout join oly, please join oly, anyoen for oly? outnumbered times! And the effect I get is that only few people join, regards for Reload,Roran, Vercoskuyu, Muzyk and few others. they ALWAYS join oly and so do I, even when Reload or Roran literally smash me to the ground in olympiad fights, do I cry about it to change it? NO I do my job and try to find the way to finally be decent opponent for them. However, these players do not have much time to play or do olympiad, so without them and boxes it is dead. Right now when the change you provide will be implemented it is absolute death for olympiad. Why? Because when I, Reload, Roran or Verco register barely NOONE will join cause simply they cant deafeat us. We have spent a lot of time making our characters as OP as they are, and new player will not join cause he will die in 2-3 hits. With the boxes he had chance to get box and learn something. Right now I'm looking forward to see how these changes will work, but Im 99% sure they will work as I described above, if so I will be really thankful for killing the small piece of Olympiad we had.

Finally, I want to ask 2 questions:

1) Is it true that right now Soul Hounds in Olympiad will be able to steal only ONE buff from the enemy?
2) Who and how long tested these change about olympiad and how was the testing process running?

Regards,
Hakamata

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Re: New update

I will also devide the post in sections, for clarity reasons.

OLYMPIAD MATTERS:
I've been reading thru your posts guys .. and one main thing comes to my mind namely: Why is there so much commotion about getting heroes when they are beeing FED .... is that what oly is about?

Oly should be about knowing who plays the best, ofcoz also about having the best gear, so about your L2 experience in certain areas, not even only PvP. You guys seem to hold Oly in a kind of exaltation, but the rules you don't wnt to be changed make the Oly into a DISGRACE, it's a pure feeding frenzy not showing who is the best or who knows how to play their characters. Feeding your fellow clanmember coz you have enough points as u Haka mention, is unfair too and shouldn't be done - if u wanna play oly, PLAY OLY and win whoever is against u, "enemy" or clanmember! coz otherwise the whole exalted Oly business is just a piece of crap.

IMHO the changes will bring less Oly fights but mayB at last some QUALITY of fights. Now you will have to really fight to get your 9 fights done. All will have to do it in order to get them. The scores won't be in hundreds now but tens of points, but at least be so fair and true to you beloved Oly to play FAIR and stop all that crazy feeding.

(Totally personal note: Nasty .. if I may ask and I really do NOT mean any disrespect, coz i have totally no quarrel with you and I think you're an OK person ... what is the aim of having all those "empty" chars with Hero, even if u have them geared up and sometimes even play them? Are u farming tokens and getting rich selling Oly shop stuff? ... Why is it such a big deal ?)

SERVER RULES:
Every server has it's rules! Good and bad ones. The main rule is NOT that the rules are unchangable, coz the bad ones SHOULD be changed with priority even, but it is the fact that the server is not a democracy of players on it, but run and reign by it's owners and their staff. We, the players, can give our opinions on the policy, but should always keep in mind that we are not the ones that pay the bills to keep the server going and all the work invested in developing the server. The money part is done by the owners and THEY are the ones that know what is the best way in order to make it run and survive. So changing the rules and applying them should be taken with a bit more appreciation, aptience and understanding, coz they don't do it to close the server, but rather to better it.

PLAYER PROTECTION:
As above: a server rule is a server rule, DONE!
Altho IMHO having protected key areas is very good as far as player satisfaction goes. it also obeys with the first rule of this server to let ppl ENJOY to play the game by not depriving them the possibility to grow. You have enough space for PvP and open fights, you don't need those 5 spots too. Let them be safe ...

SERVER PROTECTION:
I have been playing, DEVing and GMing Lineage 2 for many many years now and I've seen enough servers go down becoz of a bunch of brainless people who think of nothing more but their own blind ambition ... Apart of the fact that they mistake the importance of the game above of their real lives, they also forget totally, that by doing so, they also destroy the server they play on. They deprive others (and themselves too) of the right to play and have fun. Not to mention that they destroy the personal life or lives of the owner(s)/staff too by ruining their server.

There are always clan fights and wars and often there is one clan that gets the overhand. But with getting "powerful" there should be also the growth of brainmass and responsibility. Unfortunatelly most of the times the growth of "power" leads to obsolete emptiness of any consideration for anything or anyone.

What is the sense to have a server totally usurped by a bunch of dimwits? Do you think such a server is tempting others to join? Is it fun to play? I don't think so! Also being able ONLY to choose this one clan to play coz it's the biggest and baddest of all and doesn't let anybody else to jump up isn't encouraging in ANY way.

So ... do you really think it strange the server staff wants to do something to fend this off? To not see their hard work and hard cash go down the drain? Well I myself, see the purpose of such actions, coz I myself do as much as I can to see this server prosper, coz i want to keep having a good time here!

CASTLES:
If u ask me, castles that are not occupied by an active clan, should not be taken by alt clans of the MAIN clans unless it's ONLY for the purpose of having manor OPEN when there are no clans that can affor it otherwise. It should be made public then which castles are manored only, so that they can be taken when an active clan is ready for it.

LONG AWAITED CONCLUSION:
Start thinking about others and about the server that gives u the possibility of having fun and spend your time on. This community is not big enough to have a dagger in the back fights all the time, there are no 5k ppl to keep the server in balance. I urge you ppl to shove all that stupid hatred deep up your assholes and start behaving like normal ppl playing a GAME ffs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real .... and start having fun

Axime
P.S. sorr for the long reading ...
 

... another day another problem ...

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 + for Hakamata! 
1) PvP Server without PvPing - "Great". As Hakamta said you are choosing which clan to enter, so you are seeing that it has War. The clan is for this, help other people - grow stonger togrther, is not only to give invitation. In normal other servers, all time in Barakiel becomes melee to make the last hit, or till you are waiting. Its a part from the game.. 
2) As for that case which happend, we saw many active people leaving server and is happening again. As I am seeing here becomes all privilages to one clan, what is the point then to play? Or all people has to go in one clan?! Hah .. and then what? 
3) Last months I am seeing only boxes and 3-4 maximum players that they enter freely.. Of course every player whants at least one month to take hero to help for his character, if he doesn't have the opportunity for Donation. I am seeing player more than year are keeping hero giving 0 chance others to improve.. I dissagree for changes about any class, but if you look the server dominating classes are fighter and you are nerfing others classes. At least improve with something mage classes.. Only 3-4 players with they mage chars can freely enter olympiad.. Also nerfing one class which can beat other in olympiad it is not the option.. I saw in game that this its not necessary, because if you know how to play your char you just change tactics or improve (no matter how) your jewels and you are again + with points. If  it's like this lets all spam GM to nerf what class you like to be ..
One question: 
"Feeding in this server is present and undoubtebly irritating, however if I know that I will get hero cause I have enough points, and my friend from clan needs points to get hero. Im not asupposed to help him because its feeding?" - You are not allowed for this right? Just asking, because i started to see and this, when player with op character beeing "killed" from other which is dying for 30sec hitted without ss and C grade weapon just to take some points.. or the op character to get out his jewls and be 3 hits..  
Define feeding please.

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It's not a PvP server, it's a server with PvP allowed as Lineage should be ... for brainless PvP server go high rate ! L2 has so much more to give !

... another day another problem ...

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Yes, it allowes and when is War it is not choosen by one clan. Of course it has so much more to be done, so you choose it, not to be forbidden.

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Re: New update

@Hakamata
I think now will be harder to get your hero, is it bad for you? I guess so, because of your whine and cry about it.

Most of the heroes assume that they should be heroes every month and that's not right, being hero is something that in a retail server someone can't ever imagine, so now when you get Hero Hakamata, be more proud of it.

So yea, I kinda of expected people to whine about this change, because adding dificult seems to be something bad, everyone want their free points by regging 4 boxes or by killing other's boxes.

Now tell me, is it fun to get points from killing a character who is not moving? Isn't it more enjoyable when you get a win from a real fight?

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So actually you took out the free feeding and you put the power in old characters, that are already enchanted, so you made it pravite feeding. So now no one new will try to feed, because he sees that the power of Olympiad left in few. Tell me please, for example if Reload, Hakamata, Muzyk or VerCoskuyu log in olympiad who will reg with them? So Oly as you see is not even starting.
And of course by the end of the month when this characters will have already too many points, they gonna feed from their points who ever they want. 
Please tell me if this is a worthing Hero.
At least when feed was free new people fight to make noblesse chars to even try take the Hero, risking giving points to others (because Oly works randomly).. As you see what you actually succeed is to take the enjoy and the power of olympiad games from public people to the hands of a few old members. (Of course the clan with the most powerfull members will own all heroes).. 
Fear or not this is what you did.. and please answer to my previous post for defining

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Pros and con......nothing is perfect....and i think many of us has char noblesse and all.....i have all my buffers noblesse like nasty does.....so if thats the case i should deserve hero too????hardwork doesnt make u get hero for sure....nothing is certain.....
as far as i know.....the GMs on server jus wanna make oly a fair fight in oly...and i think we should respect the decision.....not critize the GMs of vanir....
jus make suggestion and talk it out.....
 

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@Sekai I could take hero wheneever I wanted, cause there are no people at oly with class like me. Second of all we will see if this improve oly, I doubt it because from now on will be the same ppl and to do 9 matches you will need to stand all olympiad period register because other 4 people may or may not join. ~It doesnt matter for me if I get points from box or real player, if you watched my fights you would know that Im always fully prepared no matter who is on another side, reason is simple you never know what can happen in oly. I lost to low level character cause I had bad luck and opponent had luck.  So please dont tell me that right now fights are going to be more challenging and more enjoyable. I am always at olympiad and this is msg to all, please join and we will see if I really dont deserve hero. Additionally, can you answer to my other enquiries?

@Kuku
That is the point to critize and say good things, not only 'suggestions'. If GM does something which I dont like and I think it destroys server rather than improve it, why should I not critize?

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LOLOLOL, I always love these.  How do you fix feeders?  Join OLY when you see them feeding and wreck their face.  FYI, you do not deserve to be hero unless you OLY a lot and beat people in OLY.  Too many people cry about OLY.  OLY is always hard to even start on this server.  More people complain about OLY than people have ever regged for OLY at once.  I think people cry just to cry.

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