About Castle Sieges

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Wed, 07/22/2015 - 15:32

Sterling

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About Castle Sieges

We realize that the rules regarding sieges have upset many people. Contrary to what people think, those rules have been added to our official rules page for some time, they were not added the same day of the most recent sieges. As GMs Sekai and myself don't wish to be involved in the sieges, but some clans/people have made it necessary for us to be.

There are few options for us that we would like to discuss openly with players before any rules are changed, replaced, or removed. I will list these in the style of a poll even though I can't create a forum thread with votes. Please tell us what option you agree with, and why.

If you use this thread to flame players or staff members your posts will be deleted and ignored. Please keep all posts respectful if you want your opinion to count. We do not want to make any changes to the server without the input of the players. Please ask your fellow clan members to give this forum topic their attention.

Options:
1. Leave the rules as they are now.
2. Keep staff members out of all sieges.
3. Reset all of the castles and start fresh with no rules.
4. Reset all castles and start fresh with existing rules in place.
5. De-activate Dion and Gludio castles until we have a higher population. (Thus removing existing rules.)
6. De-activate Dion and Gludio and reset all remaining castles.
7. De-active Dion and Gludio and leave the existing rules in place.
8. Disallow clans to take castles from others out of spite. (Meaning staff only gets involved when a clan is being a jerk on purpose.)
9. Other/player suggestions.

Castle Rules:

No alternative clans may take castles from main active clans. Alternative clans may attempt to take castle from other alternative clans, or take them from clans deemed defunct.
If all castles are owned by main active clans, then other main active clans without a castle may attempt to siege any castle they wish.
You may not take your own castle with your alternative clan in an attempt to gain two castles.

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 02:31

loar

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Re: About Castle Sieges

1. Leave the rules as they are now.
No, because it makes so many angry.

2. Keep staff members out of all sieges.
Some what yes. If one large clan greifs another clan to keep them from ever having a clan then we would lose population.

3. Reset all of the castles and start fresh with no rules.
No Please!!!

4. Reset all castles and start fresh with existing rules in place.
No Please!!!

5. De-activate Dion and Gludio castles until we have a higher population. (Thus removing existing rules.)
No Please!!!

6. De-activate Dion and Gludio and reset all remaining castles.
No Please!!!

7. De-active Dion and Gludio and leave the existing rules in place.
No Please!!!

8. Disallow clans to take castles from others out of spite. (Meaning staff only gets involved when a clan is being a jerk on purpose.)
I totally agree. Two siege days ago and alt clan owned by an FA member took Aequitas' castle. They did this so they could keep AOD from having a castle. If they truly wanted the manor then they would have owned the castle ages ago. Doing this once or twice is ok. Doing it over and over and over again is BS and not good for the community. FA could possibly do this to all the castles if they get angry. Then the server would only be FA. So doing what happened last weekend was not bad but if it happened all the time it would be.

9. Other/player suggestions.
I do not mind the rules too much. I think each one should be done case by case. Not a permanant rule.

Thu, 07/23/2015 - 14:25

st0ne

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Re: About Castle Sieges

To leave the rules like they are.. maybe only this is good "No alternative clans may take castles from main active clans. Alternative clans may attempt to take castle from other alternative clans, or take them from clans deemed defunct."
Keep staff members out of all sieges. - Think its better to be out.. Just if someone disobey to the new rules, maybe yes..
To reset all of the castles and start fresh with no rules and reset all castles and start fresh with existing rules in place - Please.. NO :)
De-activate Dion and Gludio castles until we have a higher population. (Thus removing existing rules.) and de-activate Dion and Gludio and reset all remaining castles. De-active Dion and Gludio and leave the existing rules in place - NO.. If it comes the highest population and active clans I think can't be stopped for taking them..
For 8. - I want to respond to "loar post - Aequitas from the time they are here had Schuttgart (had no free castle), so they didn't had option to choose. It had time that one other alternative clan went and took their castle and since then they wanted Goddard, but the staff told them that they can only return Schuttgard.
My opinion is that every active clan (with no castle) can choose which castle to attack, face the defenders and take it.. Also for the last siege.. To give from the defending side to be supported from anyone who wants and for the attackers to go and fight alone.. I don't see the point then to have alliance, friends or any community.. At the moment the server has low population and all this hate for 1 castle or any castle.. no need..
I hope the staff will take the best decisions and make this topic for no more questions.
Please players make you suggestions!

Fri, 07/24/2015 - 11:22

Chandra Nalaar

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Re: About Castle Sieges

Options 3 - 7 i don't see why, therefore i disagree
In my opinion GMs should only make sure that no box clan (full of boxes, totally nobody playing in it, or obviously made populated for the purpose of taking a castle) can fight for a castle. In all other cases sieges should be open, because who can tell where is the line between an 'alternative' and a main clan? Maybe an 'alternative' clan wants to become one of the main clans and see what they are capable of? That sounds like fun and not allowing them to do such a thing is rude:(
Edit: So i think what i posted here is very similar to option 8 presented by Sterling.

By the way, i don't want to spoil it, but i think that laggs are fixed, good job with that :)

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:03

nastymateo

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Re: About Castle Sieges

What if all the alt clans could only take 2 castles. Doesn't matter what 2 but then maybe Sunday's we could have fun. The rules could be only alt clan members could fight for the castle. If u came on a main jailed. The alt clan members can not just be in that clan for the day but must stay in that clan. Not leaving 2 day before CS. To join the alt clan. I think that it might bring a lil fun to Sunday's. Just an idea. Not sure how many alt clans we have holding Castles now.

Sun, 07/26/2015 - 16:16

loar

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Re: About Castle Sieges

How can you regulate entering and exiting alt clans?

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 15:15

Imm0rtal

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Re: About Castle Sieges

oke guys .... so as we see here it has so many ppl that say their own opinion and its close to imposible to agree in something common....
Having the experience of Gm getting into game and force ppl to do what they want and this thing has be done many times.... here is what i suggest
1 Keep the castles as they are. Since ppl have worked for them!!
2 Keep the Gms out of the actual game play and leave them to assist in problems only when they are needed and players cant do it alone!!!!
3 Remember Gms are here to assist with issues not to create more taking into consideration who is QQing the most and do his favor!!!!
4 Its at least stupid to think that in Vanir we got population to take over all castles with active clans!!!So closing up the castles is not an option cause even if they are from bot clans maybe manor is working!!!
5 As for the rules of clans and bot clans.... its easy... A clan can attck another one not from hate (ofc as blitz said) and a bot clan can attck another bot clan yet a bot clan cant attck an active clan.... now that means that if a bot clan wanna reg a castle owned by another bot clan then ofc they can and they can bring and their ally to help them cause like this we will have pvp and no flames since is about a bot castle!!!!
6 And final.... the castle rules are oke... the problem is that gm consider them how he likes and changes them whenever he wants using windows to the rule... The biggest problem of this server is the gm entering in game playing and taking things to his own hands giving orders about what has to be done..NO thats wrong !!!! Here is a Lineage Server not the pocket of Gm...!!!
And as a Ps to my beloved loar.... For what you said my friend for Aequitas you are mistaken cause Aequitas wanted to siege it long time ago... and both times they were forced from gms to stay with the one they already had!!!!No matter that both times they had lost it...!!!