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Maegor
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Some doubts

well, Im playing in server for about 1 month, and have some doubts:

1- why its not dropping ancient tome of demon from hellbound's mobs with 100% chance? I killed some chimeras and there is no drop. second to http://base.l2j.ru that is a very good database, this item should drop 100%. http://base.l2j.ru/freya/index.php?p=2&id=9599

2- why adamantine is not spoiling in giants cave? I know there is some quests and some places you can drop it, but usualy you can spoil adamantine without big troubles in giants cave entrance. Palit and Cursed Seer is not spoiling adamantine http://base.l2j.ru/freya/index.php?p=2&id=9629

3- why raid fighters dont respawn, and dont have raid curse? Its a little bit strange, and this is a advantage to advanced chars, because they can kill raid bosses being lvl 85.

4-why there is not clan penaltys when you leave clan? I know its very confortable dont have penaltys in some situations, but this penalty was made for a reason. like in Territory war, sieges, there's some strategies you can use using this penaltys. removing this penalty is a little bit dangerous in my opinion.

well, I think that craft should be easier here, cause server site says: 10x spoil, 5x quest, but some quests its not working 5x rate, and adamantine is not spoiling, this weakens all craft system, cause even spoil rate being 10x, we (our clan) can spoil material to 5-6 vesper weapon with 10x spoil, and will take a life time to get adamantine to all of them. So, at the and, craft its very very slower than 10x spoil rate. I Joined server believing that I will find 10x spoil rate, i dont have so much time to play. I get lvl, created my spoil, equipped him, and discovered adamantine its a big problem to craft, and Hellbound its no dropping tomes 100%, Im feeling deceived because of those editions. :(

I know that theres some ways to avoid this, but craft its very slower than the rates that are showed in server site says.

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Re: Some doubts

1- The database you are querying its wrong, I usually took the freyabase.ru website but its down. The chances for Ancient Tome of the Demon in retail are about 50%~60% on Chimeras, with our 10x rate is much more. But Chimeras have a lot of items in the same category so read here [How do the drops work in Lineage 2] to see that is impossible to put them at 100% because there are also more items, only 1 item of each category can be droped. Beyond from all this we also did some changes on Chimera's chances to srop more stones, read here the update news.

2- Adamantine is not spoiled by any mob, that was in Gracia, in Freya they changed. You can use l2jdb.l2jdp.com database, its more accurate but its not exactly as Freya retail.

3- Raid curse is disabled here, but advanced chars can't get items and exp from that mobs. I think there is no point to kill mobs just to annoy.

4- I will take a look on that later.

The 5x quest rate should work on most of quest, tell us which quests are not working, maybe there is some good reason or it's a bug.
The x10 spoil rate is working propery. 

I want to know the opinion of our staff before continue writing.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Best regards.

 

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Re: Some doubts

Ok, they have about 60-70% of drop chance of each chimera in this database you send me. but with drop 10x, and it drops so rarely? its very strange.

about Adamantine, Pmfun, and many other database I searched, says adamantine is spoilable, its very strange either

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Re: Some doubts

Maegor I told you why. Please re-read again the first paragraph of my post.

To fix this the only solution I found is duplicate the retail quanity of tomes.
If retail rates are 60% 2-6 (min and max quantity), and here we changed to 30% 20-60 (10x), my idea is keep it 30% and put 40-120 because we reduced from 60% to 30%. So the same chance to drop but more quantity.

About Adamantine as I told you in Freya they changed so you are seeing databases that are still in Gracia. l2jdb.l2jdp.com is a Freya database but with custom changes to make it like H5.

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Re: Some doubts

spoil system realy strange, so much mobs empty like spoil rate x1. 1h spoil and only 1 icarus trident part ;/

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Re: Some doubts

Hi there,

  Hog, you dont need spoil icarus trident pieces. You can get this easy on quest "No more soup for you".

link: http://l2sm.blogspot.com.br/2011/10/no-more-soup-for-you.html

Hope its help you.

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Thx zuricki, I also try to do "It Smells Delicious!" quest when I spoil, 0 quest items : / . Dunno, maybe I should last hit mobs with my nuker, coz he have quest and he just stay near me in party

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Re: Some doubts

I find some of the points Maegor brings up pretty relevant too.
- For 1 : the Chimeras I understand how it is on this server now, and I am fine with the "adaptation" made because I know that before, so many ppl were angry because all they dropped from that category ever was ONLY AToD, and maybe 1/200 a one stone and that didn't make much sense when even on retail everybody knows chimeras were the best source for stones in Freya. Also I think the current drop rate of AToD reflects pretty much the x10 of Vanir, since after farming chimeras solo on a DWARF for one hour, I get enough of them to buy a forgotten scroll (while on x1, it took me about 8-9 hours on a dagger at the time).
-For2 however I have to say Maegor has a point.  The mobs in GC used to spoil adamantine because at the time it was the best source to get them. It was changed  but, correct me if I am wrong that was changed when they changed Dragon valley too,  that is because then the mobs in Dragon valley were dropping and spoiling that mat like crazy anyway. Which isn't the case in Freya. So at the moment on vanir we have mobs spoiling Orichalcum, Leonards, but 0 for Adamantine. Also there used to be treasures chests in SV and chance-spawn-mobs in FOG that gave adamantine, and that was way before Freya, but they are not working here.
-About 3 and 4 I also don't really understand what is the point to not have raid curse and clan penalties. For raid curse you say that lvl 85 chars cannot get drops, I think that is not entirely true, since I have been killing lvl 70-75 bosses on a lvl 85 char and still got enchants and other stuff from them ( without even talking of the soul crystal lvling.)
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Chisen Eva Saint

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Re: Some doubts

Hi,

  I agree wiht Chisen and Maegor about adamantines. When i reach S grade, I started to craft my S80+ itens. First, i went to Moirai set, spoiling mats, recipes, pieces and Orichalcums. After made my full set, i sarted farming my accessories. Over again, farming mats, recipes.... and Leonard. Now, that i made my acessories, i'm startig crafting weapons. So, i spoiled recipes, pieces and some mats. But i cant craft the wapons, beacause in l2Vanir is impossible to spoil Adamantine. Serious guys, anything is wrong with that. 
I know that exists quests that can reaward me Adamantine, but dont sound estrange for all of you that i can spoil armors, acessories but cant spoil my weapons?

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I dont know about you, but it really diapoints me when I read something in a server's site and I start playing and then realize that its not what was writen in the server site. You change 60% chance of 2-6 itens to 30% of 20-60 its not 10x drop. you put drop chance x10 and reduced chance drop to half. its not 10x. and I dont get why staff nerfed and turn hard everything that is about craft. It looks pointless to me.

you say: quest 5x, drop 10x

but all important quests have rates edited, the only quests that looks 5x to me its quests of pet, and other ones that doesnt help at all. drop are 10x, but if you want craft, the drop is edited to less than 5x, so, why show features like that in server site? 

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Re: Some doubts

Hello Maegor, I think you are not understanding the whole problem, I ask you please to read this post: 

You must read this: http://www.l2vanir.com/forum/how-do-drops-work-lineage-2

The thing is if you have 60% and you do 10x means 600%, so the only drop of this categoy will be tomes, congratz now you have a bigger problem. Remember that only 1 drop of each category can be dropped. So read what we do in the post I told you before, its long. The stoes were droped very few and ppl were complaining that we did that because we want donations, and that is not true, so we had to edit the chances on that mobs to do it more reasonable for the rest of items. And if you read the post above you will see that if you apply 10x rate to chimeras the tomes are reduced to 22%

So please, stop saying that we nerfed everything or we wrote lies on the server features.

Thanks for letting us know that we have a problem with Tomes, as I told you I think could be a good idea if we duplicate the quantity of tomes that will be dropped, we can't raise the chance because other items won't drop and its not what we want, right?. What do you think? If you have another better idea you can share with us.

About Adamantine, what we could do? add for sopil since is not Freya retail? I don't like edit retail things but if there is no option... If someone has another idea its always welcomed.

And to finish, Maegor if you don't tell me what quests are bugged I can't check, so please, could you tell me what quests are not 5x? We found some months ago and we fixed, so please if you find more quest tell us the quest names.

Best regards.

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