Olympiad.. Retail like?

You fail to see the issue there. Im not some crazy overlord that can sap away HP and debuff tanks. TBH i dont see it as being dirty playing, since im the only one of my class at the moment that plays it. So I dont see harm in it. Its different if there's a competition.. But there isnt. I dont like feeding, and i pref not to do it. But at this point, all im doing is farming oly for my own benefit, and no one suffers from that. (i mean, im the only one.) The way I see it, i was just finding a solution in a difficult situation. (after all, there is a difference in points.. I want more of tokens, and since i cant farm oly like most of classes here, Im forced to find alternatives). Guess some ppl are too green with envy, so i'll stop it. I'll join normal oly and let them choke on my points, and hope they die in agonising pain. And If we agree on that, then implement this - OLY = 1 participant per IP. voila. No boxes, no bots, no anything. I want justice.

Here's the possible archer vs %class outcomes for archers at oly (Saggi, MS, PR except tricksters, they have lethal, so they actually have a chance at winning something):

Archer VS Mage  = If stun doesnt land, u'll get vortex on your ass, and most common issue - mcrits. Takes 2 and they occur quite often. My attacks are accuracy dependant, but that doesnt matter if they wear a shield, if it gets blocked. Result = 20% chance at winning.
Archer VS HK, PK = Total defeat. Anti-archer everything, i wont debate here, they are natural counterparts. Mostly its possible to win newbie tanks with non-OE equip more than 6.
Archer VS ST / ET = It is possible to win VS ST, with kite and luck, chances to win are approx 10%. Against ET - they dont have pets, but they have healing cubics, + ToE, which basically makes it impossible. Chances to win, 0%.
Archer VS Archer = lol, here? Thats an epic one if it occurs. Chances to win are 50/50 and determined by accuracy, dodging, and stun shot luck.
Archer VS Doomcryer/OL = really hard, considering their attack is their heal. really hard to win, but lets face it, there are like 1 of each on this server, and they are getting fed in way different times most ppl play. So no chances there.
Archer VS Doombringer = impossible, unless stun lands, and even then, has to be a luck of 3x crits to even hope on smtn.
Archer VS Trickster = possible to kill if stun lands and trixkster fails his debuffs / lethal.
Archer VS Soulhound = if stun lands, then its possible to kill it before it mcrits.
Archer vs titan = u kidding me? Most titans here come out prefrenzied with zealot and +15 stun resist. Even if i land stun, its far too short of a duration compared to tank and doombringer stuns, and too much HP to go through to even kill it.
Archer VS Grand Khavatari - If stun lands, Then there is approx 10% chance to kill it, with all the luck in the world. Rest of the times, they just dont bother hitting, they use force blast.
Archer VS Gladi = impossible, and no comment to add.
Archer VS SE/EE/Cardi = If its a noob healer, then its possible. But lets face it, how many healers are there in oly ? They appear only once in a month to be fed for their hero and boom, there you have it. Someone once told me, that its hard as an SE/EE/Cardi here. RLY? If you are a good healer, you'll have several weapons with augmented active skills for oly. I used to play Evas saint, and i had 4 weapons, with different element active nuke skills, so i can rotate them depending on the need.
Archer VS warlord  = tried a few of them. Cant even scratch them till their hp. Why? Cause they stun, that stun lasts for ages, and even if you get them down to a certain point of their massive HP, they use revive and voila, back to square one, only you have like max 1/5 of your hp left and he has his full stock of it.
Archer VS ES, AL = summons are tough nut to break + if summoner has active nuke, then its a done deal. Too much hp to deal with and arena is too small for most of classes archers are up against.
Archer VS DE summoner/Necro = both have active nukes + additional augment skills, and ofc, summons with lots of hp. (well necro's summon is easier to deal with, but again, distance..)
Archer VS SWS/BD - SWS are a bit harder, since they have both song of windstorm(ya, thanks gms, they have it for 1h now, I'll try to contain my joy), and anti-archery buff. 

So please, tell me again its easy as an archer here in oly. What i did, was merely save all the headache and continuos losses, while from my class based oly, NO ONE REALLY suffered. (except those envy guys). I am not going to change my class, i'll stay loyal to it, like i allways have. I am not QQing about how ripped off we are, everyone seem to know about it everything, but hardly anyone has played with that, but im basically the only active archer here (tricksters are not considered here).

Ok, enough typing. I dont even care what happens after this, I have my own opinion, and I reserve the right for it. 
About my equip = only thing that i have over +6 is my bow, which is kinda my only advantage and saviour in world pvp's, and aq +8. Rest of items are no more and exactly +6. I'd agree that +6 limit in oly would make a small difference for my class ,but it may give 5% more chance of winning.

If you read my post again  Dodger you will notice thats exactly what i suggested.

As about players who wouldnt like this change , those will be the tanks and a couple of other fighters that depend on their +++ gears to win a fight just because they do not have the skills to beat someone else in a equal fight.

And also till now i've seen 2 times talking about the +3 weapon limit what is that? Is there a limit of +3 on weapon in oly? And if so ... why? that would only make tanks even more op because they would still keep an insane ammount of def.

But this is not a qq post or any shit like that.
We all gotta be realistic.
Do you all remember the time( before i quit playing here)  when we even had 6 oly games running almost same time? - and yes mostly all real players no boxes. We had many games till that SK guy  who has been hero most of the times on vanir(can't remember his name) was regging oly and suddenly nobody of the new guys would reg again. (why? because he had overenchanted items nobody could beat him so they would stop playing oly)

Instead of saying we have few players active atm you should focus on a more realistic change to oly system to make it more appealing for new players that join the server to stick with it.
+6 system in oly will only be about the skill that player has in wining a game.
But if you are a noob player that depends on overenchanted gear to win a game then you will have to disagree with me and say this is a wrong change.
If you are a really good player that knows how your class should be played ... then you have nothing to worry about because you will most likely keep your shiny glow without a worry.

i have played on other servers that had this system implemented , and i must say i enjoyed it (played spoiler also .. spoiler for life:P) You could actually see who is good and who is not and many many players were joining the oly because they knew they wouldnt be facing a player that has everything at +12 or more.

Also on a side note , before someone would consider saying ... this change i am suggestin isnt about me ... i am ok with what ever happens.
In 4 days since i came back on the server i started with 0 items/mats and already managed to make 2 +12 items and some other items at a decent ++ on them. Made 100 moirai helm crafts in these 4 days , knowing what and how to do makes things very easy. Just i had luck only to get 1 helm to 12:)

And to Wutang , sry mate no disrespect towards you but here NCSoft actually failed on their game... archers could rape other players on world pvp(depending on chronicle) but they have been always quite useless in olympiad games just because they do not have enough room to kite ppl.
For me when i was seeing archers in oly vs me i was so happy ... i was thinking uhh nice free points. But thats just because NCSoft had a bunch of dumbass developers who couldnt figure out what to do with archer classes to make them viable in oly.

You mean Marquis?

marquiss was OP!
KoS i would love if they change oly gear to max +6 but... i would need to find some time to make this shitty gear +6...
and does +6 enchant count epics? cause my epics are +12 armor set is +14 and yeah i still dont do dmg :D damned TK ;/

Yes , the idea of +6 in oly applies to all items.
But don't worry this change will most likely never come.
In the past i have proposed several decent changes to the server to keep it alive , many have quit because some things havent changed , i quit the server also. But since its the time of the year when i play l2 again i came back here since its the only decent freya server and i only like freya chronicle.
I like the idea of retail like stuff. But there's also a lot of things to be taken in consideration here. Even if the server wants to promote retail like experience you still need to customize certain aspects of the game.
L2 went free2play on retail because NCSoft failed badly on the game mechanics not because other games beat them in subcribers. They totally failed to make a balance in pvp. If you really want to have a strong char in any private server you usually have to roll a tank or a kamael , rest of the classes become quite useless on an old server (some exceptions do apply)

This server has very good chances to become more popular , but some changes are in order for that to happen.

I did not mean to offend anyone by my previous post, just gave some bare facts. Neither do I think there is any adequate human being who would be happy with you getting less pts, that is how lineage was made and i doubt that any of us can really do anything about it, i have nothing against class-based oly i just think feeding via it is a bit dirty.

The +3++ limit is annoying, because ppl tend to go with their buff staffs on oly, which are mostly b grade. And its totally fine for you to switch to the buff stuff on the stadium, but if you wanna prefire some limits/have extra mana that would require going in with preequipped weapon - it might be really annoying and to be honest i do sometimes forget to switch the weapon which makes it an awkward moment when i arrive and gotta fight without some precious mana :C
but on the other hand it makes all the boxers be even more annoyed since they are to keep +3++ on every box, but again, those who want to do the boxin they will and i do not really think giving people some extra annoyance is a preferable way for administration ;)

P.S. wu, I cannot debuff 3/5 of tanks (not taking sws into consideration) because of dem cubics, and on the top of that they can also make me eat all my sh*** back so that even if i troll limit some ET/pal just before they are about to heal, dat mirror might make me feel really unhappy. And i don't think i was ever fed intentionally as an ol (just some random box sometimes happen to be against me, but again it is just 1 pts mostly)
​P.S.S Marquiss did not have OE gear as he claimed, and i doubt anyone would ever say that he was not a skilled guy, st class is an awesome oly farmer.
P.S.S.S. and yeah, +6 gear for all-who-can-farm-better would be just great improvement for the Olympiad
 

I did not mean to offend anyone by my previous post, just gave some bare facts. Neither do I think there is any adequate human being who would be happy with you getting less pts, that is how lineage was made and i doubt that any of us can really do anything about it, i have nothing against class-based oly i just think feeding via it is a bit dirty.

The +3++ limit is annoying, because ppl tend to go with their buff staffs on oly, which are mostly b grade. And its totally fine for you to switch to the buff stuff on the stadium, but if you wanna prefire some limits/have extra mana that would require going in with preequipped weapon - it might be really annoying and to be honest i do sometimes forget to switch the weapon which makes it an awkward moment when i arrive and gotta fight without some precious mana :C
but on the other hand it makes all the boxers be even more annoyed since they are to keep +3++ on every box, but again, those who want to do the boxin they will and i do not really think giving people some extra annoyance is a preferable way for administration ;)

P.S. wu, I cannot debuff 3/5 of tanks (not taking sws into consideration) because of dem cubics, and on the top of that they can also make me eat all my sh*** back so that even if i troll limit some ET/pal just before they are about to heal, dat mirror might make me feel really unhappy. And i don't think i was ever fed intentionally as an ol (just some random box sometimes happen to be against me, but again it is just 1 pts mostly)
​P.S.S Marquiss did not have OE gear as he claimed, and i doubt anyone would ever say that he was not a skilled guy, st class is an awesome oly farmer.
P.S.S.S. and yeah, +6 gear for all-who-can-farm-better would be just great improvement for the Olympiad
 

ofc it will never come because abilityless farmed pigs will quit

Let me state my opinion about olys.
About feeding:
There always was and will be feeding on oly, in not class-based. It was like that on retail and on every serever. Tho, in my opinion feeding in not class based isnt that bad, i mean, You can always join and stop the feed. What annoy me the most is feeding in class based oly, and yes, im talking about traproc's titan's, becouse they are doing this. Thats not fair and really sh!tty play for me. To stop this, i suggest cancel class based oly, till we get more peoples here.
About ++++ eq:
People qq becouse they stating they are losing fights becouse they lost in eq, and they would won with same eq, becouse they are better. L2 is a game based in endgame both on pvp/oly and pve/craft to get even better eq. I dont think its fair to punish people who aren't the best in pvp, so they trying to get better eq rather then improving skill timing, learning tactics etc. IMO, if You play properly You can still win with people with more ++'ed items than You. I like l2 becouse, in my opinion, eq is NOT worth more than being skilled player.
L2 isn't balanced game, thats for sure. Daggers are good vs slh, slh is good vs titan, titan is good vs dagger - for example. Thing is, You can always win a fight if You try hard, not matter what opponent You face.

Wu, i sadly agree with You that in freya archers aren't the best on oly. But, let me remind You how good are they in open zone mass pvp. Every class has an advantages and disadvantages, thats why there is class based oly - which sadly dont work here becouse we need more peoples.

ofc it will never come because abilityless farmed pigs will quit

Thats some serious shittalk Ferra, but to me it's stupid to say that. I know there are peoples rolling on oly with success, not being skilled - i know that may be frustrating. But, that's weird that You're ET and saying this ^^ There is not much open pvp here, so, yes they would quit becouse for them there would be no sense in playin anymore. People should understand that there are classes that require more skill than others, and also, people should understand that there are classes better than others.

Oomph well, i guess none is punishing anybody, I distinctly remember reload at some point being totally unstoppable (when most old guys left) and he was really happy when i managed to challenge him. When you outgear everybody leaving them not a single chance i bet this is not quite an interesting game in oly, you could go beat the elpies with the same result after all ;)
And gear does matter. Those who were hard for me like two months ago are now hell hard to win. And i do tend to believe this is not because i'm a terrible nub :C

But i guess these talks would worth nothing until we can see admin's willing to apply this and probably some kind of voting for and against to make sure people like the idea.